And I’ve heard stories like others — Lou Elizondo said he believes these crash recoveries exist, like I said about Tucker Carlson. He didn’t say he knew it for a fact. That’s the difference. But I was very surprised that they actually approved it, and I have the documentation to show that they approved these and all the statements he wanted to make. So I don’t know what that means exactly, but what was revealed was nothing he was stating.
Ezra Klein: From my knowledge of the classification procedure, I don’t think it’s true that it can’t be classified because he hasn’t revealed anything more specific than we have. Even if you reveal that the United States has a weapon that is not open to the world, which is functionally what is being said here in a sense, that it is on this base. The fact that you don’t say it doesn’t mean they can do it. Please don’t classify. I mean, I feel like this was my interpretation. The interpretation left is one of two.
The Pentagon either doesn’t believe this story to be true, because there is so much that isn’t true. If you’re going to expose what the Pentagon thinks will bloom on Mars, so be it. It’s not the actual secret they’re trying to keep because they don’t believe it to be true.
Or they think that getting him to say it protects it in a way, because they actually do – this is some kind of reverse psychology operation. One can imagine the interpretation that It’s a bit fanciful, but this is the part I was most particular about. On the other hand, there were trustworthy people in this story who assisted another trustworthy person, all of whom worked around this special committee, so if anyone were to try to find this out, it would be this one. It seems to be a group of people.
The Pentagon, on the other hand, just says, “Yes, please.” Tell the world that we have crash wreckage, and use the fact that you worked here to give us our sentence to give it credence. That’s not how the Pentagon approaches anything in my experience. They are so secretive that I doubt they would spread this information in such a way. So that’s the part where I can’t seem to move forward with this issue.
Leslie Keane: Well, I think so, but it’s a very interesting point. So I think it’s possible that the people who made the decision about this don’t know if it’s true. I don’t know what the actual process for pre-publication review looks like or to what level it’s done within the Department of Defense. Is it just some kind of lower-level human looking for specific indications of sensitive information? I don’t know what that process is, but it would be very interesting to explore more about it I think. But they didn’t know if that was true, and maybe they just thought, “Well, this is kind of silly.” Yes he can say that. what do we care about? I really don’t understand, Ezra.
But I have to say that the second review that took place, one that included the really important remarks he made in the story, happened literally overnight. And that, I don’t know if I’ve ever said it publicly, but it did. He submitted it and the next day he received a yes.
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Transcript: Ezra Klein Interviews Leslie Kean
